Wednesday 31 August 2016

(Sir Edmund) Hillary plays to another (not so) sell-out crowd

REALLY PACKING THEM IN, HILL?


   STANDING ROOM ONLY?....EXCEPT THAT THE ONES STANDING WERE ALL OUTSIDE OR AT THE BAR WAITING FOR YOUR BLOVIATION TO CEASE.



   (SIR EDMUND) HILLARY, DO THE HONOURABLE THING....RESIGN FROM THE RACE AND REPORT TO SOME MINIMUM SECURITY COUNTRY CLUB PRISON FOR THE REMAINDER OF YOUR MISERABLE DAYS.



  WRITE YOUR MEMOIRS ABOUT ALL THE WORK YOU DID AND THINGS YOU ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE CHILDREN....AND THE WOMEN'S ISSUES.



   PEOPLE HAVE GONE TO PRISON FOR MUCH LESS THAN WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.



     PERHAPS YOU CAN SET UP AN ANTHONY WEINER DEFENSE FUND.



PLEASE JUST LEAVE.....NOW.

Heads, we all lose; Tails, we all lose

______________________

     There is a lot of counter-current and cross-current in the political/cultural theatre at this time.   Deviousness abounds.  It would be nice to try to overlook and not remember blowhards such as FOXNews's O'Reilly talking about how the Big Oil Companies needed to be punished for profiteering during the last episode when one gallon of gasoline finally rose to the same cost as one gallon of milk.
     O'Reilly howled about how there should be investigations and a punitive tax of some sort, because it just wasn't fair that a company should make a profit on the backs of people who needed their cars to go to work.
      Possibly he was referring to the 51st Amendment to the Constitution which reads, "Therefore, by the hand of those who care for the welfare of others, we order and require that all gasoline and any other product deemed to be necessary for the conduct of what anyone decides is necessary for the conduct of a comfortable and rewarding life, that product or service can be received at no cost.
    This includes, but is not limited to, a basic supply of 5,000 packets of prophylactics, and in order to assure inclusiveness, these condoms will only be provided to girls or those self-identifying as girls between the ages of 12 and 39  (39...get it?  39....funny, right?) who will attend, do attend, or have attended prohibitively expensive private Marx0centric Universities.  The Un-Founding Parents proudly name and dedicate this Amendment for Mzrsrq. Santa Fluke.

    To be fair, O'Reilly is what is known as a "rationalist".  It is good to be rational, right?   Somebody is informed by another, "All horses have four legs." it might be discerned down the road that the observer would see a cow, and then turn to tell his son, "That's a really handsome cow."
     The meaning, of course, is that Rationalism is fraught with many exits that lead to blind alleys, or at times to intellectual cliffs.
_________________

     Speaking of intellectual cliffs, we now have various and sundry important people speaking about "doing something" concerning the "Negro Problem", or the "Inner City Problem", or the "Black Lives Matter" problem, or "The Racial Divide", etc.    We are brought immediately to some of the most profound words ever spoken on the topic.  To wit:

     “There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

Booker Tecumseh Washington

     As many OROGs (Order of the Readers of the Old Gringo) know, El Gringo Viejo frequently states that he is a Confederate and not a Klanner.  This above observation is not only salient, but also indicative of the mind of a man who has gone far beyond the limitations brought on by "Rationalism".    I, your humble servant, would not have given a second thought to voting for him as President of the Confederated States of America.
     Booker T. Washington was rational, but more importantly he was deductive, inductive, reasonable, and inspired by Greater Power.   He was, in short, at least one of the top ten most important social - cultural thinkers of all times in the  case of the American experiment.   I shan't even think about mentioning the names of Sacred Cows and Bulls of the "Civil Rights Movement".  It would probably result in some kind of vendetta by Lois Lerner or Loretta Lynch.

     Dr. Washington, however, bears an audience.  For all times.

  This humble servant (El Gringo Viejo) does clearly remember the times when his Godmother, as a member of the McAllen Independent School District (McISDP) Board of Trustees, repeatedly declared that participation in the Department of Agriculture's programme to feed children at and in school would be the ruin of local control of socially democratic schools that served as an extension of the culture, the religions, and the family needs of a locale.   
     My mother, Auntie Marty, and several other well-placed ladies of the area in their circle agreed wholeheartedly.   They all likened the programme as "...the camel's nose under the tent flap".    "Should we yield on this, then the Government will choose the rabbi, preacher, or priest who says grace over the school's Easter Vacation assembly."   Liberals, (almost all anti-Mexican in their make-up, roared with laughter about this.)   said very frequently, things along the order of ,"If we don't feed them, then who will?"  and other idiotic things such as, "After all, it's good for employment...free money from the government....for the ladies in the cafeteria.  And the farmers will benefit, too!"
     The joke is, and almost nobody will believe it now, that the Mexican-descended people who lived among us, and us among them, fed themselves and frequently delivered specialty holiday Mexican specialties late at night....such as on Christmas Eve, or during Christmas-tide....things like incredible tamales and/or chiles rellenos (stuffed peppers).  It was a different time, and Hollywood and the Hamptons could never understand.
     It was one of the greatest complements that "Anglo" families had....and they would strut around at Church the next Sunday, dropping, "...the Lopez's brought us 4 dozen tamales of chicken last night".....and then "Well, the Garcias came by at sundown and they had 'our choice'....picadillo, or picadillo with venison or chicken with chili or without.....you know...we are very important to them...as they are to us...." .   It was very much like an Angloid variation of hens clucking around in the scratch-yard....each clucking her importance.   The Left will never, and cannot ever, understand.   And further they wish not to understand.  They want the "minorities" as political cannon-fodder.
To wit:

     For the past 50 years, the Washington Establishment has been telling us that they had to help the Negro component of the population.  According to them, and certain bigots, almost all of whom were socially lower-case Democrats, the Negro needed to be cared for and the proof of it was that Negro leaders said that that was the case.
     Oddly, the Progressives, the Klan, and certain of the Negro "leadership" in the South as well as places especially in the urban north developed that mentality in union, in unison, simultaneously, and with positive conviviality.   Remember, as we have previously  posted, Margaret Sanger addressed the Women's Auxiliary of the Ku Klux Klan, twice during the National Convention. They were listening to harangues about  euthanasia, selective breeding, and the need to eliminate the races of Jews, Negroes, and Mexicans.  Shades of (Sir Edmund) Hillary and her outreach to children,.
     The words Margaret spoke were almost identical to what was being said at the same time in a place called Germany by another fellow, who was decidedly un-Arian in appearance and ancestry.   However, the Progressives wanted to be "ahead of the curve" in the matter of "improving the race".

     The scenes of thousand of Jews being bulldozed into common graves by the Nazis, forced them to change their tactics.   They considered spaying and neutering the 'undesirable elements" of society.  Others had a better idea.  Why don't we just give them "public assistance".  Everywhere it had been tried, the recipients had devolved into an almost sub-human, lethargic, violent group that would consume itself with murder and disease.  It worked for a long while in England....and in France they decided to kill each other after they ran out of aristocrats.

   Ergo....massive public assistance begins to set in, especially accelerating during and after the time of the establishment the Great Society.  Paternity is replaced almost entirely by AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children).   Thereby...State welfare systems, heavily subsidised by Uncle Sam forced fed literally trillions of dollars into the digestive and reproductive tracts of people who gradually, and then steadily, learned that blobbing was easier than self-support. 

     We return to one of our favourite statistics....that being that the level of American babies born without known paternity among the Negro cohort in 1950 was 7 per cent.  To-day it is well over 70 per cent.   In the 1950s, people of Black African ancestry had well-established themselves in the skilled labour, the arts, sciences, and the field of professional athletics.  They were very much a part of the patchwork quilt that made America whole.
     After just thirty years, they were in serious jeopardy of social disintegration.  After fifty years, as it is now obvious, the situation has gone well beyond social psychosis.  The idea that a major party candidate can make truck with any group that can declare that Black Lives Matter and underscore that other lives are not significant, speaks to the hideous union made by the givers and takers of the largesse of the Exchequer of the Republic and its federated units.

    Therefore, we are with regret driven back to the point:   If we pay for more of the same just to keep the growing mass at bay a little longer, we lose, but if we cease to pay for even some form of marginal peace, we lose.   This is the brilliance of the social engineering brought to us by the Fabian Socialists, the Klan, the effete Northeastern liberal thinkers, the rapacious Democrat vote engineers, and those who were identified by Booker Tecumseh Washington....that there is a class, made of numerous charlatans who meet this description below-reposted.

“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

    Lord, please take the Sharptons and the Klanners and the vote-buyers and enslavers to the public dole and deliver them up to some greater purpose.  I advise Dr. Washington that there are numerous of the Caucasians who also benefit from the plight. real and imagined of the Negro race, and they too wish for that plight to continue so as to justify their inflated sense of self and their inflated sense of purse.

El Gringo Viejo
_________________

Tuesday 30 August 2016

Paul Harvey - 1965 Warning to America Speech

________________

     Pardon the paranoia, but we have typed this up three times before this time, and  each time, upon return, the writings have been sent to the Planet Zenox.  Only (Sir Edmund) Hillary's server could have been wiped clean enough to have done that. Therefore our commentary will be short. 



     We begin this brief set of commentaries over several points, simply looking for a reset button to put order to the scrambling eggs that now serve as a replacement for what was left of my brain.   The admonitions of Paul Harvey concerning what would happen if we were ever so stupid so as to follow the path that we have followed.....have all come to roost  (I'm sorry.  We meant to say 'to chick'.  Or is that anti-PC as well?)

     We have come to the conclusion that there is a worst-case scenario.  It is not quite a tie for last place.   The worst case is to have a certifiably psychotic, anti-American, narcissistic, pathologically mendacious,  national socialist, presumptuous dilapidated old hag at the helm of the Ship of State.   The Ghost of Paul Harvey Aurandt compels us to this conclusion.  We are out of last chances.

El Gringo Viejo
_________________ 

Friday 26 August 2016

A bit about the Battle of Mier - Christmastide of 1842

David Christian Newton submitted the material below onto a Facebook screed that pertains to people who are interested in their Spanish Colonial Period ancestral roots and who seriously study and develop their genealogies. The events centre around a city named Mier, a present-day county-seat in the long, northern panhandle of Tamaulipas State of Mexico.  It has seen and felt the effects of much wild weather, military engagements, and recently the effects of the drug-trafficking and human smuggling activity plaguing the Mexico - Texas frontier.  


 It is well that this event be covered and studied deeply.

      It is of interest to some Texians that General Adrian Woll entered into the centre of the Republic of Texas in 1842 in command of a punitive expedition and also to remind the Texians that Mexico could bring serious force against the outnumbered and less productive and less powerful Texas. Both Mexico and Texas at that time were boiling over with their own internal political warring and arguing.

    Woll's army arrived in good order outside of San Antonio and promptly took control of the city in the late Summer of 1843.  His approach consisted of essentially of five major columns coming up from Laredo, Matamoros, Rio Grande (aka - San Pedro / (to-day) Miguel Aleman), and Reynosa.    The combined rosters suggest that the total force was 2,600 effectives.

   The whole event was terribly humiliating to the Texians who had been impotent in the face of overpowering and more professional military force....and then forced to pay for their own failure to prepare, to be aware, or even lift a finger in terms of maintaining a ready defense posture.  As the Mexican forces deployed near the edge of the city and then gave demonstrations  that they were going to enter, a delegation came forward to request that the application of force be avoided because many people who were innocent of any wrongdoing would be subject to injury or death.
         There was an engagement where about 150 citizens of San Antonio had taken a defensive position, in a building owned by a leading rancher and businessman, Samuel A. Maverick.   Civil Authority was brought forward, along with good numbers of the business class, and were informed that the General was imposing a Punitive Charge against the Texians and he exacted, if I recall, about 3,000 dollars and supplies, a couple of cannons, various weapons, powder, medicines, and forage enough for his retirement back to Laredo.

     A useless cavalry charge of about 67 or so Texian regulars and momentary volunteers made a rearguard harassment of Woll's main body, in spite of Woll's written notice to them to not engage, due to the fact that their lack of familiarity with warfare would lead to devastating losses, referred to at times by the Texians as the Salado Creek massacre.   There were several engagements in and around San Antonio, to the east Sequin,  Hondo to the west, each of which the Mexicans said they won, and the Texian declared themselves the victors.  Woll was a respected enemy, as had been Urrea, Castrillon, and even Perfecto de Cos, and General Filisola after a fashion during the 1836 War.   

    Woll returned in good order to Laredo with his punitive rewards and called it a day.  His Expedition was widely applauded and lauded, perhaps with considerable justification.   They had gone up in pretty fair order, and come back the same way with all their standards and minimal casualties.  Further service awaited in a matter of weeks.

  The Texian Congress demanded that an Army be equipped and sent to Laredo to punish the Mexican's embarrassment of the San Antonio population. Sam Houston was not in favour of such an action but the Congress and other powerful political figures were in favour of it. General Somerville, the actual winning general in charge at San Jacinto, was chosen to the lead the reverse punitive expedition.

     It left in earliest December with about 760 effectives along with about 300 from local militia units and some artillery. At about the time of arrival near staging places north of Laredo, messengers arrived from Washington on the Brazos with orders stating that the Act of War against Mexico and commissioning of hostilities had been withdrawn by the Congress of the Republic of Texas. This was something for which Sam Houston took credit and considerable heat both then and during later years.
    Somervell had been left on the line to dry, so to speak. He informed his Army, and then requested a parley with the Mexican military and civil authority in Laredo. There was meeting and all agreed to call it a day, let the Texians regress to their homes....according to some accounts there was quite a pachanga (barbecue and celebration) to celebrate the new Pax Texana - Mexicana.   It is noted here that Laredo in those days was entirely on the left side (north) of the Rio Grande.  All the remaining organised cities downstream in this region were established on the right side (south) of that watercourse.

     The problem was that "Colonels" Fisher and Green and their contingent of "soldiers" essentially declared that they were not gong to abide by the agreements. There were 303 who broke with the main body, and began, somewhat stupidly, to head downriver going through Palafox, San Ygnacio, Ramiren~o, Ureben~o, Revilla, Chapen~o, and Salinen~o, exacting payments, forage, and other things. The film suggests that at around Christmas-time the Texians were in Chapen~o, but my understanding is that they were in Salinen~o and they were preparing to attack Mier.  These above named hamlets were small affairs, almost all entirely located on the north side of the Rio Grande, a small but difficult distance from their controlling urban centres, like Camargo, Mier, and Reynosa.

     By that point general Ampudia and various elements of the Mexican regular army and the various Guadias Nacionales between Matamoros, San Felipe de China, Reynosa, Camrgo, and Mier itself had been made aware of the approach of this Army-without-commission.
     
      One thing that most Texians....and Mexicans...as well as descendants of the Spanish settlers in the area of Mier.....are not aware of is that the man put in command of significant elements of Mexican cavalry at the Battle of Mier was Juan Sequin, one of the great Texian heroes of the Battle of San Jacinto. The outcome of that Battle is pretty well known.   Sequin's story after that 1836 engagement is complex, and he did return to his homeland in later live to resume ownership of lands his family had, and he died in Texas.

     It was a pointless military function and the slaughter was immense. It is probable that about 120 men died on both sides.   Each side badly overestimated the size of its opposition.  General  Ampudia was certain that there were almost 1,000 Texian effectives.  Texians at first thought Mier would be a cake walk like the tiny hamlets through which they had passed during preceding days.  Only after engagement did it become clear that they were dealing with real military resistance.  Their estimates of 1,600 Mexican  Army soldiers was also inflated, there having been about 760 or so.   Another quirky thing was the proclivity for the Mexican formal military reports to refer to Green, and Fisher, and a couple of other ranking Texians as "Generales" which was probably less a courtesy than an attempt to imply that the Texian force was larger than than it truly was.

 It should also be pointed out that the people of Mier treated the Texian prisoners with considerable kindness.  Ampudia arranged with the remaining officers to allow for their repatriation with the agreement to not bear arms against Mexico again, but that agreement was rescinded personally by a messenger bearing orders from Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, declaring the prisoners to be war criminals.

     They were to be interned in deep into the interior of Mexico. Another small correction to the presentation might be that the escape of prisoners did not include all of them. But a significant number ran off into horribly unsupportable territory. There was even some dispute that the "Black Bean" matter was overplayed because few if any of the Texans who returned (at the demand of Lopez de Santa Anna's wife's deathbed request) mentioned the event in their writings.

    Bigfoot Wallace was one of the few who talked about it. It was one heck of a Christmas. There are many, many others stories related to the Battle of Mier, but there is neither time nor space here to delve into it. One last thing, the Texians did comment on the incredible and elegant and massive buildings of Mier in writings.

Thanks for the time.  There should be more commentary about this and other related matters of Texian History and how that relates to Mexico of yesterday, to-day, and to-morrow.
EL GRINGO VIEJO
_________________________

Thursday 25 August 2016

We lose our dog, Bibi....and other lamentations and observations

______________________

     News was received to-day, after our return from our little hideaway in rural Mexico, that our main dog, Bibi the Labrador, had died after a brief illness.  He was about six years old, and had been active until recently.  Our majordomo advised us this morning as I had dialed down some business orders and objectives.
     This came as a bit of a surprise due to the fact that he had seemed to improve over the past two or three days.

     He was an exceptionally good canine.   He will be missed

_______________________


     We move on to the issues of the day.   There is an election on the horizon;   certainly several of our readers have noticed that.   It has become something like choosing between having an extreme attack of nausea and vomiting or a migraine  headache.

      Both of the major party candidates speak and act as if, once elected, they would be autocratic dictators.....deigning, ordering, mandating, and implementing policy and....essentially....law.

     One will order a wall to be built (maybe) and another says there will be free college and amplified Obama Socialised Medicine Initiative (OSMI) at all public universities.

      In each of the examples the acts would normally require considerable Congressional and State participation, funding, approval, and modification.  But neither of these two seem to have much use for these apparently outdated institutional imperatives.
     Each appears to be disposed to rule by Executive Order.   It sounds good to the bulk of the electorate who think in two dimensions, or in hopes of receiving special favors, or who can say things like, ".....but we need change."


     It is difficult for this observer to understand the reasoning of pundits and people who want more and greater change, ostensibly because of how bad things have become, even though during the last election cycle almost all of them voted for "Hope and Change".

     It makes indelibly clear, however, that the "Progressive Movement" and all its ghoulish acolytes never wish for solutions to the social and economic problems....even international relations problems...because people of that movement rely on the short memories of the hoi polloi.  And the "Progressives" propose more programmes to solve the problems that were caused by the programmes that have brought us the nightmares of hundreds and hundreds of medium-sized and large urban areas in the United States of America.

We shall try to speak to other issues to-morrow.   There are observations about Mexico and Texas of interest, and other matters.
El Gringo Viejo
__________________

Wednesday 10 August 2016

How many people are necessary to push up how many daisies?

With new dead bodies volunteering showing up almost every other day now to support (Sir Edmund) Hillary Corkscrew's coronation as Perpetual Queen of All Universes, we thought a little stroll down Herman Munster's Memory Lane, 1313 Mockingbird Road, might be in order.

Before people roll their eyes and say, "Oh! My God!   This conspiracy stuff is sooooo boring!!! Nobody could possibly believe that any of this ever happened much less that the Clinton's had anything to do with it.   There would be no way to cover it up.

Yet, we see a weak-knee'd FBI Director whimp out just the other day, declining to move to ahead with judicial process against Hillary Rodham Clinton in spite of many and various egregious violations of the law and normal order in terms of her email deceptions.   We now learn that it is overwhelmingly probable that  people have lost their lives due to her arrogance, lack of concern for others, hubris, incompetence, and conceit.
     
That the FBI Director was also complicit back in the year 2000 in co-ordinating various "pay-for-pardon" actions with Eric Holder seems to be enough to keep the Director's hand from the helm in terms of guiding the Ship of Justice.   What is also known is that various persons of considerable ''influence and position" have gone to prison to do hard time for offenses that are much, much, much less significant.   Dinesh D'Sousa, Martha Stewart, Charles Colson, Scooter Libby, and so forth.....there are many.

We shan't even mention the several million people who were directly or indirectly punished without case or cause by the Internal Revenue Service and their goon squads of harassers.  Among those who worked in concert with said harassment was the esteemed Federal Bureau of Investigation.   None of the harassers have faced any punishment or negative effect in spite of the fact that they violated scores of laws and regulations.  Nay!  Some of them were promoted because of their excellent harassment. 

As you all, reasonable and intelligent OROGs, independent of my ranting and ravings,should reserve judgement about these fantastic and ridiculously improbable deaths and problems, you  should also keep the door slightly ajar to the light in the hallway.   We publish this summary, which is only a partial listing of the Rodham / Blythe Felony Factory activities.

There is nothing here about Hillary being appointed to the board of directors of WALMART or being placed on the board of directors of Tyson Poultry; can you give me a break?   The woman cannot even encounter a normal, pro-Hillary news conference without having the questions pre-screened and selected.  She is the proverbial Empress, strolling along stark naked,  while her sycophants marvel at the beauty of her especially designed and woven raiment.

We have covered in this blog the six most recent murders that have had more than casual relativity to the person of Hillary Rodham Clinton and to the institutions she fronts in order to do shake-down contributions to her retirement account.  Billy Jeff's high-jet cavorting expeditions and the career development of that stunning intellectual personality du jour, Chelsea Hubble also need extra funding, since they left the White House in 2001 stone-broke. 


Review, please, this relatively careful analysis...with wheat separated from chaff.



_________________________

     

How many people are necessary to push up how many daisies?

With new dead bodies volunteering showing up almost every other day now to support (Sir Edmund) Hillary Corkscrew's coronation as Perpetual Queen of All Universes, we thought a little stroll down Herman Munster's Memory Lane, 1313 Mockingbird Road, might be in order.

Before people roll their eyes and say, "Oh! My God!   This conspiracy stuff is sooooo boring!!! Nobody could possibly believe that any of this ever happened much less that the Clinton's had anything to do with it.   There would be no way to cover it up.

Yet, we see a weak-knee'd FBI Director whimp out just the other day, declining to move to ahead with judicial process against Hillary Rodham Clinton in spite of many and various egregious violations of the law and normal order in terms of her email deceptions.   We now learn that it is overwhelmingly probable that  people have lost their lives due to her arrogance, lack of concern for others, hubris, incompetence, and conceit.

That the FBI Director was also complicit back in the year 2000 in co-ordinating various "pay-for-pardon" actions with Eric Holder seems to be enough to keep the Director's hand from the helm in terms of guiding the Ship of Justice.   What is also known is that various persons of considerable ''influence and position" have gone to prison to do hard time for offenses that are much, much, much less significant.   Dinesh D'Sousa, Martha Stewart, Charles Colson, Scooter Libby, and so forth.....there are many.

We shan't even mention the several million people who were directly or indirectly punished without case or cause by the Internal Revenue Service and their goon squads of harassers.  Among those who worked in concert with said harassment was the esteemed Federal Bureau of Investigation.   None of the harassers have faced any punishment or negative effect in spite of the fact that they violated scores of laws and regulations.  Nay!  Some of them were promoted because of their excellent harassment. 

As you all, reasonable and intelligent OROGs, independent of my ranting and ravings,should reserve judgement about these fantastic and ridiculously improbable deaths and problems, you  should also keep the door slightly ajar to the light in the hallway.   We publish this summary, which is only a partial listing of the Rodham / Blythe Felony Factory activities.

There is nothing here about Hillary being appointed to the board of directors of WALMART or being placed on the board of directors of Tyson Poultry; can you give me a break?   The woman cannot even encounter a normal, pro-Hillary news conference without having the questions pre-screened and selected.  She is the proverbial Empress, strolling along stark naked,  while her sycophants marvel at the beauty of her especially designed and woven raiment.

We have covered in this blog the six most recent murders that have had more than casual relativity to the person of Hillary Rodham Clinton and to the institutions she fronts in order to do shake-down contributions to her retirement account.  Billy Jeff's high-jet cavorting expeditions and the career development of that stunning intellectual personality du jour, Chelsea Hubble also need extra funding, since they left the White House in 2001 stone-broke. 

Review, please, this relatively careful analysis...with wheat separated from chaff.


_________________________


The People President Clinton Didn’t Have to Pardon.
Because They’re All Dead
Truth! and Fiction!

Summary of eRumor:   This a list of people associated with Bill Clinton…all of whom have died, some of them under mysterious circumstances.  Note:  Our research on some of this story is still continuing, but because of the number of requests, we are posting what we have.  Check back for updates.
_________________________
The Truth:
This has also become known as “Clinton’s Body Count.”  We’ll go through the entire list and evaluate each one, but it is true that some of them had some connection with Bill Clinton, or with someone who was in Clinton’s sphere, and that many of them died violently or by suicide.  That raises the question of whether their deaths were related and whether any of the deaths can be linked in any way to Bill Clinton.
There is no credible evidence that any of the deaths is related or can be attributed to Bill Clinton.  Some of the descriptions of the deaths are not accurate.
According to a May 5, 2000 article in the Arkansas Times, the “Body Count” list originated on an Internet site in 1994 run by an Indianapolis lawyer named Linda Thompson of the American Justice Federation.  It has been circulating ever since.  The list came up in sworn testimony that White House employee Linda Tripp gave to Judicial Watch chairman Larry Klayman in December, 1998.  Trip testified that a hand-written list of people who were involved with Clinton and who had suffered mysterious deaths ended up on her office chair in the White House.  This was just before the sex scandal between White House Intern Monica Lewinsky and President Clinton became known publicly.  Tripp said that the list was accompanied by a note that said, “Linda, just thought you’d find this of interest.”
____________________
Let’s go through the names one-by-one.  Please note that the Truth! or Fiction! designations refer only to whether the stories are factual and have nothing to do with any criminal connection to Bill Clinton.
________________________

eRumor  James Mcdougall – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

The Truth:
James McDougal died on Sunday, March 8, 1998 in John Petersmith Hospital in Ft. Worth, Texas.  He had been serving a federal prison sentence for fraud in connection with the Whitewater land deal.  At first, he claimed to be innocent, but after being convicted of 18 felony counts, he cooperated with Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr’s investigation of the Clintons.  He was scheduled to give damaging testimony against the Clintons, although critics of the investigation say his testimony had previously been inconsistent and that nothing new was expected to be revealed.  A prison spokesman said McDougal died of a heart attack and had been suffering from heart disease and blocked arteries.
__________________________

eRumor:  Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
The Truth:
Mary Caitrin Mahoney was murdered over the July 4th weekend in 1997 at the Georgetown Starbucks near Washington D.C.  She was the assistant manager and, according to published reports, she and two other employees were working late at night after the coffee bar had closed.  All three were found shot to death.  No money was taken and there was no sign of forced entry.  In 1999, Carl Derick Cooper was charged with the murders, six armed robberies, and other shootings.   Mahoney had interned for the White House official responsible for contact with the Asian-American community.  TruthOrFiction.com has not found any documentation that she was about to “go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House” or that her death was anything beyond that of a murder associated with the robbery.  A report in The Washington Weekly explains that journalist Mike Isikoff had written that “a former White House staffer” with the initial “M” in her name was going to go public with a sexual harassment story and people speculated he meant Mary Mahoney and that was why she was killed.  Later, it turned out that he was referring to Monica Lewinsky.
__________________________

eRumor  Vince Foster – Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
The Truth: Vince Foster was Deputy White House Counsel and the Clinton’s lawyer.  He was found dead in Fort Marcy Park on July 20, 1993. Three investigations into Foster’s death, including one by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, have concluded that the death was a suicide.  Critics of the investigations say Foster’s death does not fit the facts of a suicide and that there are a lot of unanswered questions about his death, some of the activities at the White House after his body was found, and the investigations themselves.  Although there are numerous theories about what may have happened to Foster and why, none of them has been proven.
__________________________

eRumor  Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

The Truth:  Brown and 34 others died on April 3, 1996 when the Air Force jet carrying crashed into a mountainside in Croatia. The Air Force, in a 22-volume report issued in June of 1996, confirmed its initial judgment that the crash resulted from pilot errors and faulty navigation equipment.  Subsequent controversy erupted, however, over autopsy photos.  There is a hole in Ron Brown’s skull which investigators say is consistent with a puncture that could have been caused by debris during the crash.  Investigative reporter Christopher Ruddy came forward with an article in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review in which he quoted Air Force pathologist, Lt. Col. Steve Cogswell as saying that the hole was perfectly round shape of a 45 caliber bullet.  Cogswell had not actually examined the body.  Later, another pathologist, Army Lt. Col. David Hause, said he had been working nearby the Ron Brown autopsy, overheard discussion about the round hole, walked over and looked at it and said it seemed like a bullet hole to him.  Air Force Col. William Gormley, the pathologist who actually did the Ron Brown autopsy, said, however, that it is more of an indentation than a hole and that if there had been a bullet, there would have been either an exit wound or a bullet found in the body, and there were not.  The Justice Department had opened an investigation into Brown’s financial dealings.

_______________________

      eRumor  C. Victor Raiser II, and Montgomery Raiser, major players in the Clinton fundraising               organization, died in a private plane crash in July1992.

The Truth:
On July 30, 1992, Victor and Montgomery Raiser were killed in a plane crash while on a fishing trip in Alaska.  He was a Washington lawyer and described as a “major player” in the Clinton organization.  Investigation of the crash by the National Transportation Safety Board concluded that it was the result of pilot error.  Some “body count” lists have removed the Raiser’s names because there is not any evidence that their death was the result of foul play.
_____________________

eRumor  Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.

The Truth:  His name was spelled “Tully” and he was a top strategist for the Democrats and working with the Clinton campaign.  He died of massive heart failure in a Little Rock motel room.  There has been no controversy over his death that we could find.
_____________________


eRumor   Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
The Truth:
According to published reports, Ed Willey was an attorney who owed the IRS $400,000 and had embezzled nearly $270,000 from one of his clients.  The Willey’s financial woes were a source of stress between Ed Willey and Kathleen Willey and she finally demanded a plan that would bring it to an end.  There was a stormy family meeting about it on the night of November 28, 1993 and Ed Willey moved out of the house.  The next day is when Kathleen Willey went to the White House to see Bill Clinton about a job.  She says the president assaulted her during that visit.  It was later discovered that Ed Willey had driven into the woods on the same day.  His body was found by hunters on November 30, 1993.  Authorities ruled his death a suicide by shotgun.  There was a suicide note apologizing for the financial problems.
___________________

      eRumor  Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock.
      Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock.  Park’s son said
       his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this        
      After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

The Truth:  Jerry Luther Parks was the head of security for the Clinton-Gore Little Rock headquarters in 1992.  On September 26, 1996, he was murdered down while driving through a Little Rock intersection.  A lone gunman fired seven shots at him.  This was two months after Vince Foster’s death.  Both Parks’ wife and son have said that they believe Parks was murdered and that he feared for his life.  His murder has never been solved.  According to Gary Parks, Jerry Parks’ son, the files were on the sexual escapades of Bill Clinton.  They were not removed from Parks’ house after his death.  According to investigative reporter Christopher Ruddy, the files that Parks had been keeping on Clinton were taken during a burglary several weeks before Parks’ death.  Clyde Steelman, the homicide sergeant investigating the murders for the Little Rock Police told New York Times Magazine writer Philip Weiss that he didn’t believe the theories of Parks’ son and wife and that he’d found no evidence of the alleged files.

____________________

eRumor  James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas. 
The Truth:
We have yet to find the details on this person.
_____________________
eRumor   James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide.  He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
The Truth:
He was known as John Wilson, a popular leader and political figure in the Washington D.C. area and Chairman of the District of Columbia Council.  He was found dead on May 19,1993.  Authorities ruled Wilson’s death a suicide by hanging.  According to numerous articles in the Washington Post, Wilson had long suffered from depression and had twice before attempted suicide.  TruthOrFiction.com has found no evidence that he had any information about the Clintons or any ties to Whitewater.
____________________

eRumor  Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
The Truth:
Kathy Ferguson was found dead on May 11, 1994, five days after Paula Jones filed a sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton.  She died of a gunshot wound to the head and a suicide note was found.  Her ex-husband was Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, one of those named in the so-called “Troopergate” cases involving those who had been a part of then Governor Clinton’s security detail.  He was named in Paula Jones’ suit.  According to an Associated Press article on May 14, 1993, she was found not in her living room, however, but in the apartment of her boyfriend, Sherwood police officer Bill Shelton.  The suicide note said, “I can’t stay here any longer. Things will never be the same for us. I can’t take that.”
________________________

eRumor  Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee. 
The Truth:
Thirty-one year old Bill Shelton was police officer in Sherwood, Arkansas, and engaged to Kathy Ferguson.  It was in his apartment that she was found dead.  He was one of many of her friends who felt that Ferguson did not commit suicide and that the coroner’s report was not accurate about her wound being self-inflicted.  He was found a month later sprawled over her grave with a gunshot wound to his head that was similar to what the coroner had described as Ferguson’s wound.
_______________________

 eRumor Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor. 
The Truth:
Gandy Baugh jumped out of a window of a multi-story building and died on January 8, 1994.  Published reports say he was defending a man named Dan Lassater in a financial misconduct case.  Lassater was an associate of Bill Clinton’s who was convicted of cocaine distribution.
___________________

eRumor  Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
The Truth:
This is an interesting one.  Many of the “Body Count” lists say Florence Martin was killed in Mabelle, Texas in 1994.  That Florence Martin, however, was a 69 year old employee of a nearby convenience store and a spokesperson for the Baylor County, Texas District Attorney’s office says she had nothing to do with Bobby Seal, Mena, Arkansas, or the CIA.  We’re still working on it.
____________________
eRumor  Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death. 
The Truth:
Still working on this one.
_____________________


eRumor  Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
The Truth:
 No evidence that there was anything criminal about her death.
_____________________

eRumor  Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
The Truth:
Forty-four year old Danny Casolaro was found dead in the Sheraton hotel in Martinsburg, West Virginia on August 10, 1991.  His wrists had been slashed.  According to an October 14, 1991 People Magazine story on his death, he had warned friends and family that his life was in danger.  He said it was because of what he called “the story of the century” but it was not about Bill Clinton.  It was about the Regan-Bush administration and an alleged effort to delay the freeing of the hostages being held at the time by Iran in order to do damage to President Jimmy Carter’s reelection bid.  Casolaro was told that as a part of the effort, drugs and weapons were being flown into and out of the airport at Mena, Arkansas.  Bill Clinton was governor at the time and there have been numerous questions about whether Clinton was in any way involved in any of the activities connected with Mena or protected those who were involved.
____________________

eRumor  Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
The Truth:
In his report to Attorney General Reno, Wilcher said that he was in grave danger and that if the information he had for the Attorney General fell into the wrong hands, there could be people “silenced in the very near future.”
______________________



eRumor  Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce. 
The Truth:
According to a report on WRC-TV in the Washington area, Wise’s body was found in a locked office and was partly nude and bruised.  The crime has never been solved.  There has not been any evidence that her death was related to any of the Ron Brown or John Huang events.
______________________

eRumor   Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash. 
The Truth:
Charles Meissner was not killed in a small plane crash but was among those killed along with Commerce Secretary Ron Brown in the crash of an Air Force plane in Croatia in 1996.
______________________


eRumor  Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.
The Truth:
According to the National Transportation and Safety Board, the crash was due to “AN INADEQUATE ANNUAL INSPECTION OF THE AIRPLANE AND NON-COMPLIANCE WITH AIRWORTHINESS DIRECTIVES BY COMPANY MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL.”   The NTSB says the airplane caught fire in the air and crashed while the pilot attempted to make an emergency landing.  There is no evidence that we can find that links the crash or Dr. Stanley heard to any criminal.
______________________


eRumor  Barry Seal – Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident Johnny Lawhorn Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
The Truth:
Several books could be written about Barry Seal.  He was a danger-loving pilot who was regarded as the best known cocaine smuggler of the 1980’s.  He did not die in a car accident.  He was murdered in Baton Rouge, Louisiana in 1986 by three men with machine guns and who were later arrested and convicted.  They were Colombians and authorities say they were connected with the Medellin drug cartel.  The Attorney General of Louisiana told U.S. Attorney General Ed Meese in 1986 that Seal smuggled $3 to $5 billion worth of drugs into the U.S.  In 1981, Seal began running his smuggling operation out of a highly guarded and, for a while, secret airport in Mena, Arkansas.  That airport and Seal’s activities were to become a part of the investigation into the Iran-Contra controversy from the Reagan administration.   There have been questions of whether Bill Clinton, who was governor of Arkansas at the time, may have looked the other way if he knew about the drug smuggling operation, but there has not been proof of that. 
_____________________________________
eRumor  Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released. Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
The Truth:
Saying that his plane exploded is misleading. According to the NTSB, it crashed, but without any explosion prior to the crash or causing the crash.
_________________________


eRumor
  Kevin Ives and Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
The Truth:
This is one of the stories out of Arkansas that has a lot of people asking very tough questions.  It is a story that is often told, however, as though it has something to do with Bill Clinton, but no Clinton connection has been established, especially with the boy’s deaths.  The most notable aspect of the event was that the authorities originally treated the boy’s death as an accident, but it was later clear that they had been killed and their bodies placed on the tracks.  Some have said the boys innocently found the secret Mena drug trafficking activities and were killed to keep them silenced.  Others have said that the boys discovered a local cocaine dealing operation and were killed by drug dealers.
________________________

eRumor
  THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE: Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.  Keith McMaskle – Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988 Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989. Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989. James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to “natural causes”.  Jordan Kettleson – Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.  Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
The Truth:
We haven’t confirmed all of these, but as stated above, there isn’t any evidence the Henry and Ives case is connected to Bill Clinton.
Update: A rumor that John Ashe died days before he was scheduled to testify against a Clinton Foundation donor went viral in June 2016. Click here for our investigation into that rumor.


THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel Major
General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly Spec.
Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan
More later,
El Gringo Viejo



______________________