PAGE TWO - MITOFSKY: The Bad Boys

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    As with the "most admired" , there are five top finishers in the category of ''historical villains" of Mexico.

Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna           10.3%

Porfirio Diaz                                          8.5

Victoriano Huerta                               3.7

Francisco (Pancho) Villa                  1.3

Hernan Cortez                                      1.0

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     This list of miscreants is equally complicated.  There are twenty-five per cent of the respondents who brought up the top five.   Notice that the percentages fall rapidly from a little over 10% down to slightly more than one per cent.   That means that over three-quarters of the respondents named people who did not make it up to the  1% level.  Talk about a Chinese fire-drill in a movie theatre.

      But, please take note.  At least one of every ten Mexicans say that the worst of the worst was  Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna.   It was not only the losing of a war that he had already won by relaxing his guard against a force nowhere near as large or demonstrably capable as his army.   It had to do as well with the depredations by Santa Anna of the States of Zacatecas and to a lesser extent, Durango.   It had to do with the merciless subjugation of the Yucatan Peninsula....all of this related directly or indirectly to the issues surrounding the Constitucion de 1824, that Santa Anna had once supported, then eschewed when it was time to be Supreme Ruler.

     It is also that these Mexicans know that Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna essentially blunted the southward extension of the American Army outside of Saltillo during the Mexican War with the United States in 1848 (actually the victory belonged to two subordinate field commanders, including Gen. Pedro Ampudia).   They also know that he came towards Mexico City finally amassing a force of some say 80,000 effectives including various national guard units worthy of the name (others say 40,000 - 50,000 would have been more accurate).

     Whichever figure would have been a significant number of troops, and with other elements that could be brought up from the Isthmus of Tehuantepec it could have spelled disaster to an American force that was much smaller and essentially trapped in Mexico City.   Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, however did not attack or even make a bellicose gesture.  His obvious intention was to come in to Mexico City after the departure of the Gringos with a large force, and assume the presidential throne again.

     Lopez de Santa Anna was something very similar to the Clintons.  Thoroughly corrupt, brutally violent, unimpeded by concerns about morality or criminality, mendacious in the extreme, and wholly self-consumed.   The people finally tired of him after a few more minor episodes of hopeful pseudo-grandeur and he was exiled.   He lived in New York City for a time, and then was relegated to the saloons along the harbour and plaza promenades of La Habana de Cuba.   He returned late in life to a dingy apartment in downtown Mexico City, where he died in the cold, forgotten and un-missed.

     The OROG will remember that Porfirio Diaz was on the "good list" coming in at 3%.   He scored much higher on the ''bad list", almost three times more saying that Porfirio was a bad thing for Mexico.  He had a good twenty-year run at being essentially a re-elected dictator.  He re-established law and order, albeit with an iron hand, that caught innocents and misdemeanours, who received the same harsh punishments as the numerous bandits and highwaymen.   He was also accused of "allowing Mexico to become the Mother of Foreigners and step-mother of Mexicans".   This was because of the massive influx of rail, steel, precious metals, glass, liquor and beer, agricultural production that was provoked by British, German, Japanese, French, and other foreign investment.   America was about in third place among the nations in the world making fortunes and building a huge middle class among the Mexicans.

     Another favourite quote of the day, attributed to Porfirio Diaz was the famous line,"Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States."  At the time, it is said, he was showing off the final stages of the building of the Palacio de Bellas Artes, to this day a stunning theatre with a Tiffany glass curtain one-third the size of a football field...curtain being worth perhaps ten million dollars.   As the five-score Italians master marble finishers were winding up their work, they may have heard Diaz make that statement to a delegation of Japanese businessmen.   Some of those later had something to do with the establishment of a beer company that has since become something called "Corona"....the original effort began in the 1890s under the still produced label of "Estrella", long since folded into the Grupo Modelo in the 1920s and now, lamentably, owned by Anhauser-Busch and Hienekins consortia...a Brazilian / Belgian concern that carefully isolates its Mexican business to the local market, and then to the export of Corona to over 150 countries, Texas included.

     Diaz was "overthrown" by an "election".   The elections of 1910 resulted in an absurd vote count, something like 2,000,000 to 134....I forget the precise numbers....and the loser promptly declared that Sufragio Efectivo / NO Re-eleccion!!! would be the unconditional condition for the removal of Don Porfirio from the Presidential Palace.   After some considerable warfare for about one year, Francisco I Madero came in triumphal entry to Mexico City, accompanied by the not-so-rag-tag armies that had defeated a pretty good military organization.   Diaz was given a deluxe train-ride to Vera Cruz and then was placed on a steamer first to Cuba, and then to Spain, where he died.   There is a movement that began not long ago, to repatriate the remains of Porfirio to Mexico, as a way of recognising that he had done far more good than damage during his quarter century of ruling the country with an iron hand.

     Also, suffice it to say that "Sufragio Efectivo'' for women did not happen until after 1952, and as in the case of the Unite States, it solved all the problems at that time and everything has been perfect since that time...just like in the United States.

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     As with the previous entry, anyone wishing an early definition of the other personalities not discussed can request such information, given in my own way.  These fellows will be analysed during coming days and weeks in any regard, along with other commentary regarding El Chapo and such things.

We shall return to-morrow.   Thanks as usual for your time and interest.

El Gringo Viejo

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Mexican Heroes and Villains - the Mitofsky Survey sorts them out

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     Before we bring the OROG community opinion, fact, or conjecture about Mexico, please understand that Mexico is a place where one walks into a saloon and takes a poll about who the most important person in Mexican history is, and with ten people present, the poll renders 35 persons as "most important".    While this tale is a bit over-stated, there is some truth to it, due to the Mexican proclivity to try to not offend.

       One of the attitudinal surgery and political preference survey companies that we have come to rely upon is the highly respected Mitofsky Survey.   They do constant analysis, and their work on major local and State races has been remarkable over the years.   Their analysis of the Presidential races has been stunning.   So, when other work, more academic and/or commercial, is done, we also stuff that in the old pipe and smoke it.

      Sometimes, readers here will have to endure El Gringo Viejo making a declaratory and, with a flourish of the universal sweep of his left hand and arm,  state a fact as simply being true because he says so.   We apologise for such conceit, but we do submit that those suppositions also come from very much study and very much experience with, about, within, and concerning facts and conjecture about Mexico.

     One of the things that Mexicans will argue and discuss ad infinitum is whether or not this or that villain or hero was a villain or a hero.  It never ends.   But so that the OROG will know, the last Mitofsky survey about such things did reveal the dichotomy, the dynamic polemic, and even the somewhat schizophrenic evaluation of important personages in Mexico's past.

     We launch into a painless set of examples by first informing the readership that we did a pretty fair analysis of this data, below, yesterday.  We also put the graphics directly on the screed....but the graphics from Mitofsky disappeared during the day, thereby ruining the point of the article.  So, everything was, stupidly, deleted in a spate of infantile frustration on my part.   However, this is such a good, interesting, and elucidating set of figures that I know it will (a) vindicate my stated assumptions and facts on this blog, and (b) give those OROGs and other who are interested in advancing their understanding of a nation as complicated as Mexico another few bricks to build their wall of knowledge.   To wit:

HEROES

Benito Juarez Garcia                                  18.9%

Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla                         14.2

Fransciso (Pancho) Villa                            7.3

Emiliano Zapata                                            6.0

Porfirio Diaz                                                    3.0

     As we total up these figures, it comes up to about 50% of the total respondents.   Other could have named Lazaro Cardenas, the "Great Expropriator" who established the Mexican National oil monopoly Petroleos Mexicanos - PEMEX, thereby miring Mexico in a sloth-pit of socialism that has endured until even these days.   Mexico is climbing out of that oil, gas, and petro-chemical pit finally and wondrous things are not going to happen...they are already occurring, as an avalanche of technology, professionalism, and competition.  But now, the lustre is gone from Cardenas....his son, Cuautemoc Cardenas drove the name into the ground with several losing efforts at becoming President, and PEMEX looking better with each step towards privatization does not help the ancient image of Lazaro Cardenas.    Same with Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador...another constant candidate for President or something, at one time thought of as an icon, but after a few months of blocking the main plaza in Mexico City and "occupying" about thirty blocks of the most attractive and heavily travelled boulevard in Latin America....his lustre also dulled.   None of those personalities polled as much as one per cent. 

     We shall study Benito Juarez, since he is the leader of those most admired.  From the point of view of El Gringo Viejo, he was a grumpy old man at a young age.   He hated the same people who made him a great political and legal thinker.   He was a full-blooded Zapotec Indian, from the wildest mountains of east central Oaxaca State in the south of Mexico.   Because of evidence of advanced intelligence, he was forwarded by his family and religious workers to the care of a really fine academy in the city of Oaxaca run by cloistered sisters of a remarkable convent.   As a child of the outlying areas, he was accommodated by a well-to-do family, pretty much as an adoptee.

     To his credit, he was adamant and ardent about that in which he believed.  He became an eloquent voice in the issues supported by the Reformers.  That was the liberal group....filled with prototypical international socialists, haters of organised  religion, haters of the wealthy, mockers of the traditions, and ardent enemies of hard money.  
  He essentially wrote (this is somewhat but not convincingly refuted by some historians) the ultra-democratic Constitucion de 1857 that for all practical purposes expropriated the Roman Catholic Church out of existence in Mexico, as well as major portions of lands that had been considered communitarian by the indigenous peoples...Otomi, Tarascan, Tlaxcalan, Maya, Zapotec, Mixtec, Huichole, Huastec, Totonac, and other nations.

     While some (in the opinion of this writer), if not most, of the lands that had been awarded by the Throne during the colonial period probably should have been "re-awarded" in some manner, stripping the wealthy of their ranching and very fine production of tropical fruits, corn, scores of fine vegetable and cotton and hennequin plantations would have been a disaster for Mexico as a nation.   And, please to remember, in those days...the 1850s...the "nation" of Mexico was very much five to seven separate entities....more if the Indian nations were to be treated as the entities they actually were.

     In almost all large cities in Mexico there is a semi-rotunda of columns with a statue of Juarez centre'd in front, and these monuments are placed there by the Masons to commemorate their "Great and liberal reformer".   Juarez's birthday is a national holiday, and the day of his death the flags are fixed at half-mast.

     Benito Juarez was a Scottish Rite Mason, because all liberal leaders in Mexico were of that order.   It saved Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna from the firing squad or noose in the moments after the Battle of San Jacinto, for instance, when he identified himself as a Mason to Samuel Houston.  Of course, Lopez de Santa Anna had ceased being a "liberal" leader three or four re-inventions of his persona before meeting Houston.
    The difference between the common Mason and Benito  was that Juarez was obfuscative when it came to accepting, as all Masons must,  that there is a Supreme Cosmic Force and Intelligent Entity.  One can be a Jew, Muslim, Christian of any sort, Buddhist, Shintoist, Hindu, etc. but belief upon and in The Supreme Being is fundamental in Masonic canon.  Juarez is not known for his fielty to that point.

     To me, Juarez was as self-consumed as one of our favourite female Presidential candidates.  He was chased out of the Presidency by conservative and Church interests, who gained favour from the corpus populi due to the anarchy that broke out during the clumsy implementation of the above cited Constitucion.  The Conservatives went to Europe and essentially begged for the loan of a monarch.  The Hapsburg House was brought into the deal, with the King of Belgium and the important backing of Napoleon III and the Bishop of Rome (Pope).   It was arranged that a very popular, dashing, Arch-Duke...brother to King Franz Josef, king of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Bohemia.  Franz Josef took the opportunity to rid himself of his more popular brother, and to give that brother a "real live Empire" with a real live throne and a Palace and soldiers with uniforms fit for any opera.  (Please obtain the books, The Crown of Mexico, Joan Haslip,  and  The Cactus Throne.  the author's name escapes me at this moment).
     Maximilian and his Belgian Empress Carlotta came into Mexico in 1864 and did a fair to middling job as Emperor.  Once things started running better, however, Max decided to literally go bird-watching and butterfly collecting in the South of Mexico, while the Republican counter-revolution was welling up in the North.   Long story short, Maximilian went to assume personal command of the Imperial Army in Queretaro, and after a prolonged siege and considerable loss of life, the Republicans forces won the day and the War.   In fairly short order Maximilian was shot before a firing squad, as were his two generals, Miramar and Mexia.   As an aside it should be pointed out that Max's two theatre level generals were racially Mestizo, while all of the "Indian President's" field commanders were White and Roman Catholic.

     My further opinion of Juarez is tempered by the fact that he was willing to sell every Mexican's birthright in order to raised the funds that were needed to re-install himself into the Presidency.  He offered both Abraham Lincoln (with whom he communicated frequently) and later Andrew Johnson territory in the Isthmus of Tehuantepec for the purpose of building a "Panama Canal".   Lincoln was enthralled with the idea and even  commented that it would be a good place to send the "emancipated" slaves and other Negroes "because they are better adapted to such climates".  Very enlightened, our Father Abraham...and our national hero, Benito.
       The story is told about an Italian onyx and marble stone finisher, working on the incredible Palacio de Bellas Artes during the regime of Porfirio Diaz, during the 1880s.   During the quiet times in the evenings the Mexicans at his favorite saloon would talk about the Great Presidente Benito.  Very impressed by these tales of patriotism, democracy. and loyalty to cause, the Italian returned to Italy and repeated these tales, especially to his brother.  In due course, the time came for the brother's wife to be delivered, several years later...and the brother dutifully named his baby after this inspiring Hero of the People.
"The Christian name of this child, Mr. Mussolini?"

"Benito," he responded to the priest at the baptism.

      But this is neither here nor there.  In politics in Mexico as in the United States of America perception is more important than fact.

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     The number two fellow is Father Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla, also known as the Father of Mexico...and as the person who "Pronounced" the Revolution for Independence of Mexico from Spain on 15 September 1810 at 23:00 hours, from the belfry of his parish church in the community of Dolores, Guanajuato.  While Hidalgo was killed not so long after this act, he is the one who put into motion that irresistible force (Mexico) that finally destroyed the immovable object (Spain).

    On all these other folks cited as Heroic, we shall comment a bit more at a later moment.   Many, many books have been written about all of them.   They deserved all the study that has been given their personalities and quirks and motives.

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This afternoon, the good Lord willing and the Devil not objecting, I shall delve into the "Bad Boys" a bit.

El Gringo Viejo

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Another newsflash comes in from a favoured OROG - Breaking news response by El Gringo Viejo

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Daniel Snyder, owner of the NFL Redskins, has announced that the team is dropping the word "Washington" from the team name and will henceforth be simply known as "The Redskins".   It was reported that he finds that the word 'Washington' imparts a negative, immoral image of corruption, cheating, and lying, and is not a fitting role model for young fans of football.

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BREAKING NEWS:

     THE OROG community will be pleased to note that El Gringo Viejo is contemplating a hostile take-over, and is recruiting investors to join him in this attempt to assume control of the NFL team presently playing in or near the city of Washington, District of Colombia.

     Upon the gathering of a minimum of 400 billion Yankee dollars, we shall immediately move to buy at a fair and generous price any shares that the present holder(s) might wish to release.

      We shall immediately comply with the wishes of the LFBTSEWGHHHRESD community and all groups seeking social justice and equal distribution of talent and wealth.  We are especially mindful of the need to show respect to all groups up to and including the Native American Male Lesbian Mermaids and Bartenders.

      In keeping with this objective we are going to name the team after that last remaining group that can be insulted, spat upon, despised, loathed, and ridiculed.   Therefore, the name of the team, upon our purchase will be -

THE POTOMAC PALEFACES

     Thank you all for your kind attention.   Please contact Fleesum, Cruk, and Shyster Law Firm at 1 - 900 - BR - 549 for the details of the buy-out offer.

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A contribution from a favoured OROG, with preface by El Gringo Viejo

     We are moved to provide a pre-addenda to this missive.   We must also not forget that Qaddafi, the seriously deranged dictator of Libya, immediately upon noting how the Americans took apart the "invincible New Saladin of the Middle East...Saddam Hussein al Tikriti" and vanquished his "indestructible armies".... de-activated and rendered the entirety of his already established "nuclear deterrent".   This "final solution" weaponry was small in scale, but ready to use, and fairly advanced in many ways.  Perhaps it is tribute to Arabic intrinsic, in-born mathematical skill.

     Qaddafi (count the ways to spell his name in English) was a cad in almost all ways, but Libya, like Egypt under Mubarak, was governable to large degree.  We need to remember that in Egypt, Valerie Jarrett and Barry Soetoro got rid of Mubarak so as to facilitate the "moderates".....the Muslim Brotherhood....who immediately set about to murder all the Copts, all the Muslims who were in any way secular or accommodative of infidels and heretics (re: tourists), and was laying plans to blow up the statues in the Valley of the Kings as well as the Giza pyramids and the Sphinx.

    Leading from behind, and turning Arabia over to jackals was a pretty cool hand for people who had normalcy and America.

El Gringo Viejo

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The stunning part of this story is that Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty killed 60 of the attacking force.  Once the compound was overrun, the attackers were incensed to discover that just two men had inflicted so much death and destruction.   The news has been full of the attacks on our embassies throughout the Muslim world, and in particular, the deaths of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others in Benghazi, Libya.   However, there’s a little known story of incredible bravery, heroics, and  courage that should be the top story.    So what actually happened at the U.S. embassy in Libya?  We are learning more about this every day.  Ambassador Stevens and Foreign Service officer Sean Smith, along with administrative staff, were working out of temporary quarters due to the fact that in the spring of 2011 during the so-called Arab Spring, the United States cut ties with then president Moammar Gadhafi.  Our embassy was looted and ransacked, causing it to be unusable.  It is still in a state of disrepair.   Security for embassies and their personnel is to be provided by the host nation.  Since Libya has gone through a civil war of sorts in the past 18 months, the current government is very unstable, and therefore, unreliable   A well-organized attack by radical Muslims was planned specifically targeting the temporary U.S. embassy building.  The Libyan security force that was in place to protect our people  deserted their post, or joined the attacking force.  Either way, our people were in a real fix.  And it should be noted that Ambassador Stevens had mentioned on more than one occasion to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,  that he was quite concerned for his personal safety and the welfare of his people.  It is thought that Ambassador Stevens was on a “hit list.”   A short distance from the American compound, two Americans were sleeping.  They were in Libya as independent contractors working an assignment totally unrelated to our embassy.  They also happened to be former Navy Seals.   When they heard the noise coming from the attack on our embassy, as you would expect from highly trained warriors, they ran to the fight.  Apparently, they had no weapons, but seeing the Libyan guards dropping their guns in their haste in fleeing the scene, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty snatched up several of these discarded weapons and prepared to defend the American compound.   Not knowing exactly what was taking place,  the two Seals set up a defensive perimeter.  Unfortunately Ambassador Stevens was already gravely injured, and Foreign Service officer, Sean Smith, was dead.  However, due to their quick action and suppressive fire, twenty administrative personnel in the embassy were able to escape to safety.  Eventually, these two courageous men were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers brought against them, an enemy force numbering between 100 to 200 attackers which came in two waves.  But the stunning part of the story is that  Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty killed 60 of the attacking force.  Once the compound was overrun, the attackers were incensed to discover that just two men had inflicted so much death and destruction.   As it became apparent to these selfless heroes, they were definitely going to lose their lives unless some reinforcements showed up in a hurry.  As we know now, that was not to be.  I’m fairly certain they knew they were going to die in this gun fight, but not before they took a whole lot of bad guys with them!   Consider these tenets of the Navy SEAL Code:  1) Loyalty to Country, Team and Teammate,  2) Serve with Honor and Integrity On and Off the Battlefield,  3) Ready to Lead, Ready to Follow, Never Quit,  4) Take responsibility for your actions and the actions of your teammates,  5) Excel as Warriors through Discipline and Innovation,  6) Train for War, Fight to Win, Defeat our Nation’s Enemies, and... 7) Earn your Trident every day   (http://www.navyseals.com/seal-code-warrior-creed).   Thank you, Tyrone and Glen.  To the very last breath, you both lived up to the SEAL Code.  You served all of us well.  You were courageous in the face of certain death.   And Tyrone, even though you never got to hold your newborn son, he will grow up knowing the character and quality of his father, a man among men who sacrificed himself defending others.    Dr. Charles R. Roots Senior Pastor Former Staff Sergeant, USMC Captain, U. S. Navy Chaplain Corps (Ret.)   This should be passed on and on and on.   NO TRUE AMERICAN WOULD OBJECT TO RECEIVING THIS MORE THAN ONCE ...    SO PASS IT ON   And Let us never forget the Hillary Clinton Comment “What Difference does it make how these men died!"

The Passing of Thomas Dale Traylor

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The Passing of Thomas Dale Traylor: Classmate, bud, and now among the Angels. We inscribe these short notes: David Christian Newton

15:42 (1 hour ago)

to Lynn, Betty, Linda, and all in the Class of 1964, McAllen High School:

Tom and I were pretty thick through primary, junior high, and high school. We graduated together in 1964, the first graduating class from the "new high school".

The Viet Nam War thing with the draft and divergent professional pursuits found us ever more isolated one from the other. He was always working. He worked alongside Jack Whetsel at Jack's Dad's store, the very famous Broadway Hardware....he worked at Minimax Grocery and became the youngest section manager in the store (produce) when he was a sophomore. He, unbeknownst to many was a crack varsity baseball pitcher for the Bulldogs and various teams in the city leagues starting in Pony League.

The late start into the game, quite frankly was due to his parents, especially his father, telling him that ".....baseball is a game that requires talent and intelligence, so why waste your time?'' Sad but true. I unabashedly take credit for his successful career in the game. I required him to try out, and he was rewarded with a coach for the Kiwanis-sponsored PONY league team declaring, "Where have you been hiding?"

Tommy was 5 -1 in his first season in organized baseball. A real junker....slow curves, slower change up, excellent control, and a deceptive fast-ball.....always kept really low.....a classic south-paw.   He could hit for an average as well,  a spray hitter who swung from the left.

Thomas Dale Traylor was a self-made person....a combination of preppie, nerd (a real science nut), and accountant. He was a magnificent fisherman, a real hunter when people used to track instead of lounging around in a blind with a solar-powered deer locater and computer-powered bazooka that blow the guts out of a doe at the corn-feeder, 50 yards away.

He did league bowling and carried a 208 average, and was a crack pool shark. I beat him three or four times out of perhaps 1,000 games of straight-pool, call your shot...strict rules. It was always a pleasure to win or lose, because I learned a bit each time I played him, and became pretty good myself. But Traylor was a true shark....private cue...everything.

He was a high scorer in the aptitude tests....infrequent but required in those years, but while we would strut around with our 98s and 99s on the SAT during the sophomore year and our 94th percentile on the CEEB and / or the College SAT at the end of our senior year....Thomas Dale would keep his 98s and 99s to himself, revealing them only after a lot of prodding and moaning and groaning...and then only to one or two of his best buds.

He was hard-working and a gentleman for so long as we "ran" together. The world is a bit less than it was a few days ago.

Que en Paz Descanses, Tomas.

David Christian Newton

(El Gringo Viejo)

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El Zorro presents an attorney's "connecting of the dots".....

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Some of this can possibly be explained, but it is interesting and should be worthy of investigation by the esteemed media.

Here are 4 Simple questions from an attorney...are there ANY logical answers ?   You be the judge.  

Here's what I would like to know. If the TRUTH ever comes out and it is decided that Obama was never eligible to be president, what happens to all the laws he signed into being and all the executive orders?   Should they all be null and void?  

Here are 4 Simple questions from a reputable attorney...This really should get your "gray matter" to churning, even if you are an Obama

fan.   For all you "anti-Fox News" folks, none of this information came from Fox. All of it can be verified from legitimate sources (Wikipedia, the Kapiolani hospital website itself, and a good history book, as noted herein). It is very easy for someone to check out.

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 FOUR SIMPLE QUESTIONS  

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes’. So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is "African-American" when the term wasn't even used at that time ?

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2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961 and Lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, Right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa".  

This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth.

How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet Exist ?   Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate".  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_%28http:/en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Kenya%29 

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3. On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital".   This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" 

and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively.  

The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx) 

Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?

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4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama's book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I'm not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama's "birth certificate" says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born. That should have put his father's date of birth approximately 1936 - if my math holds (Honest! I did that without a calculator!) Now we need a non-revised history book-one that hasn't been altered to satisfy the author's goals-to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and 1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II his father wouldn't have been more than 9 years old. Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes ?  

Very truly yours,  

RICHARD R. SILVERLIEB, Attorney at Law

354 Eisenhower Parkway, Livingston, NJ 07039

   "A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than a gun in the hands of 200 million law-abiding citizens.   Send this to as many Patriots as you can!  Ask your Republican friends /representatives in Washington D.C. If they have a backbone'\. Why in the hell can't they use it and get media coverage to explode this across our country? Impeachment in itself is not justice!  We are talking orange jumpsuit & long prison sentences.

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