Sunday 18 November 2012

Just happened to be there (?)

     Move along, folks...nothing to see here...move on along...it's just a big sex scandal,  lots bigger than any slaughter of Americans in Benghazi....this is just like Desperate Housewives meets Marilyn Monroe mudwrestling with Eva Longoria and Big Bird.   And Madonna and Lady Gaga and Jersey Shores...you know...the real stuff...just move along, just because we have tonnes of X-rated filth right there on the left, just up ahead about five or ten feet....there's no reason not to keep moving along.   Miss America-lesbian incest....nuns gone crazy....Librarian sex rings assaulting policemen.
    Move on...let's move on along.

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   Jill Kelley, the Tampa, Fla., socialite who initiated the investigation that revealed the affair, and her twin sister had two “courtesy” meals at the White House mess as guests of a midlevel White House aide in September and October, the official said. Kelley and her family also received a White House tour on the weekend before the Nov. 6 election.
     The White House visits by Broadwell and Kelley illustrate the wide-ranging access both women enjoyed because of their ties with Petraeus, Gen. John Allen and others in the close-knit military community. The White House official discussed their visits on condition of anonymity because the visitors logs being cited have yet to be made public.
(from an Associated Press story, 16 November 2012)
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/16/woman-in-petraeus-scandal-visited-white-house/#ixzz2Cb6oYR6t
 
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THE DOUBLE DISTRACTION:
 
    The media does not need to play into a big sex and power scandal so as to distract from the manipulation of news by the White House to distract from a policy failure and a politicisation  of coverage and interpretation that borders upon treason and goes well past impeachable and convictable high crimes and misdemeanours on the part of Obama and various of his White House lackeys.
 
     It is being discussed fairly openly that the Obama administration was allowing Turkish agencies to ship surplus light to medium infantry weaponry and ammunition to the groups fighting against Assad in Syria.   Others have observed that, because of Obama's, his staff, and his major backer's natural pre-disposition to hate Jews and therefore the nation of Israel, that there exists an implicit understanding that these shipments would be allowed to be diverted to Hezbollah and/or Jamas through Egypt.  In that manner, several things could be accomplished:
 
      (a)  The Valerie Jerrod -  Van Horn - Che Guevara part of the White House team can now be happy with the idea that the Jews would finally be cut down to size like in the same manner British and the Americans have been and are being reduced to insignificance.
 
      (b)    Obama and his marxist team in the White House could demonstrate to the Ayatollahs in Teheran that he would put his actions where his secret promises have been.  They want the Ayatollahs to feel a sense of equivalence to the Americans so that we can have a socially just and democratic discussion as equals.
 
       (c)     Obama and his marxist team in the White House can now demonstrate to Putin that the Russians have free rein in Eastern Europe, so as to re-establish their hegemony and misery among those people.    This would bring Obama into compliance with the promise made to Medidev some time back, that Putin would be able to acheive what he wanted during Obama's second term without American objection.
 
     (d)     Obama can comply with his promises to the Muslim Brotherhood that agree with their right to turn Egypt into the same hell-hole that any Islamic Nutcase nation becomes.



THE REAL CRIMES:

    The fact that Obama knew what the event was, who had provoked it, and then covered up that fact so as to advance, not his administration, but rather his campaign, stepped across the line of legal and moral propriety.   He pre-supposed his immunity from scrutiny, which was a reasonable pre-supposition due to the fact that numerous slightly lesser crimes and misdemeanours have preceded this one and had been lauded by the press corps throughout the "journalistic community".   This has led to a stretching of the already established tendency to apply unearned hubris to any issue, even  (or perhaps especially) to matters of National Security.

    Malfeasance rising to the level of incompetence is another reasonable charge.  It involves several levels of gross incompetence:
     (a)   The appointment of a totally incompetent Secretary of State whose main claim to fame is the telling of serial whopperoos that would make a circus barker blush.   More commonly known as "Madame Corkscrew", or "Cattle Futures Kallie", or "Bimbo Eruptions Specialist" the present incumbent has made a life...not a living....out of being a chronic pathological liar.
She had and has no significant qualifications for being Secretary of anything, much less the State Department, except on one occasion she went for a camel ride in the Sahara after one of her husband's many hundreds of dalliances became too much of an inconvenient truth even for the Obsolete Press to cover up.   It does help, of course, that she like all good Bolsheviks, hates Jews.
      When Madame Corkscrew is not explaining how she had to suffer through knowing that her daughter was trapped just below the Twin Towers on 11 September 2001 (another lie), she could be found selling pardons to GOP-disposed Hebrews during her early days as a campaigner for the US Senator's seat from New York.  She made it well known that since she was born in Chicago, her favourite baseball team had always been the New York Native Americans.    She was outdone by Eric Holder selling pardons to Marc Rich's ex-wife for a pardon of Marc Rich....Eric Holder's effort netted 400,000 dollars from Marc Rich's ex-wife, plus other favours to be named later....everything going to Billy Jeff Blythe's Library in Little Rock.... or someplace.    This gave her unusally high marks to fulfill the old political adage, "Keep you friends close and your enemies closer".   Although Obama and Madame Corkscrew are both marxists (Trotsky learned that all Bolshies are not exactly "buddies", like when Stalin ordered a commie thug hit-man to put a hatchet into Trotsky's vacant head), Obama knew that keeping her at a little less than arm's length would be good, if for nothing else, to have someone upon which to blame whatever might go wrong.
      Madame Secretary Corkscrew-Cattle Futures also gained the new accolade by being named Queen of Saying to Hell With Security Measures for Dangerous Embassy Outposts, I'm Busy, and I have a headache!!    It's a long title, to be sure, but it is one she certainly richly deserves.  After all, she was tired from hitting the bars and from making sure that our embassy in Vienna had been outfitted with electrical connections for all those cute little electric cars like Tweety-bird's little old Granny used to drive.   First things first....and besides it was free...the government paid for it.   What good are four dead State Department Employees and contractors good for, anyway?   Where's the bar? 
      My mother said that if we can't say something good about a person, say nothing at all.  So, in keeping with that admonition, allow us to say, (Sir Edmund) Hillary does a really crummy imitation of speaking like black folks, and she also ta l    k      s        r e a l     l          y          slo  w     l          y.    She is probably the only personality in the Lewinsky matter who was/is uglier than Monica, and/or Helen Thomas as well.    There, Mom!!
       But in spite of all those accomplishments, she overrode any effort proposed to either up-grade the facility's security posture or, like the British and the Red Cross, to remove the American diplomatic mission and related personnel from Benghazi.   She didn't give a flip, Obama didn't give a flip:    Charges of depraved indifference resulting in the death of four Americans, directly.   In Texas that is a felony.   In Washington D.C., for a Democrat office holder, it is qualification for re-election and/or a salary increment and bonus.

    (b)     We must give credit where credit is due, because (Sir Edmund) Hillary did take responsibility, but not the blame (???????) for the little matter of Benghazi.   She also kept herself literally on the other side of the world during any proceedings that might require her to testify under oath to anything.   Wine tastings in Australia...don't you know...ever so very important to security matters in the Pacific Rim and all that.   Failure to respond to reasonable interest concerning this matter also indicts Obama, because he should have either ordered her testify or tender her resignation.
      This is not a game.   In terms of morality, these two people have failed as have their subordinates, as they scoff at the seriousness of having caused the deaths of four Americans.
So on this point, we have one of them there tuphers...two for the price of one.

     (c)     Abuse of power.   Obama lied about when he knew anything during the actual attacks on the the consulate and the annex.   He saw some of the early part in real time. Obama did take offense about anybody second-guessing his incompetence.  Two different general officers....of three and four star level....one of the Navy and the other of the Army...were essentially arrested and ordered back to barracks in the United States.   They were guilty of monitoring the activities and making anticipatory preparations to a vigourous response in forse to the criminal acts being perpetrated by  Anzar Al Sharia in Benghazi.   Both were remove from positions of very high command and/or strategic command. 
     They were found guilty of saying mean things about the Commander in Chief and being meanies.   They knew that any number of alternatives were available.  None were authorised or utilised in any way.   It was the response of a frozen coward and/or a person who had determined to remove his own pawns from the chessboard, because he wanted his opponent to win the chess game.   Only a person who wanted the Muslim extremist Triple AAA minor league affiliate of Al Qaeda to win the Battle of Benghazi,  would have been so willing to not send the AC-130s Spookys and/or Spectres   (about which it is said: ‘The AC-130 really is the ultimate weapon. It is very accurate and simply vaporises the target and sends a powerful psychological message to the enemy. 
‘We have called in Spectre many times and you know the minute it starts to unleash its fury the enemy melt away.")  and/or F-16s on low altitude intimidation runs over the zone of combat.   The earsplitting roar of repeated F-16 passes, especially accompanied by hostile gestures and actions, would have detained or distracted the Al Sharia thugs long enough for the AC-130s to lumber in and vapourise them.


     (d)    Subornation of perjury.    As did Billy Jeff, and almost all control freak narcissists, they try to cover their tracks by ordering, asking, begging, and/or threatening people to back of their lies or "indiscretions" or out and out commissions of felonies.   Frequently those efforts are backed up by that old-fashioned warning, "Or Else!".    That poor hapless dolt of a lackey, "Ambassador" Rice who was sent out to lie about the "offensive video that insulted Mohommed and Islam"...is an example.   To think that Obama is such a low-rent piece of whatever that he would hide behind skirts....especially skirts of a woman who was in no wise involved in any of this mess.   SHE IS THE AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS, for the love of Pete.    She has no earthly connection, bureaucratically or professionally or anythingedly to the matter of Benghazi.   Sheeeeesch!!!

     I can see it now,
   "Miz Rice, come on in here.   We want you to go to every talk show this Sunday and tell them that this whole Benghazi thing was the result of some old white guy making a nasty video about Mohammed and being mean to Islam. "
     "Well, Mr. Obama, what video are you talking about?"
     "That doesn't matter...it's just a really nasty video and it just goes on and on with lies about Islam and Mohammed.   And that's why all our nice friends over there became a little miffed about America and attacked our Embassy in Cairo... and a few other little deals and things, too insignificant to mention.   It was done by a white guy in California, and we're going to carry that state anyway so it doesn't matter...it's an anti-Muslim cult white guy who we already have tabbed...He's going down...he'll be in jail by this time to-morrow.  Don't worry about anything.   Everybody in the press is already prepped to softball everything, and with the Fox people just say that "it's classified at this time" to anything they ask, and, you know, just draw your answers out...they'll let you talk because you're black and you're a girl.   They know we'll "racists" and '"sexists" them to death if they ask you any real questions."
      "But I've never heard of this video.   Someone said its been around for 5 or 6 months and nobody found it any worse than some of the others," the Ambassador was quizzical.
      "Look, Suzy...have I ever steered you wrong.   Just do what we tell you.   Oh, and we have a little ceremony at the airport when the bodies come in in a couple of days.   You'll need to be there for that, too"
      "But, Barry, I don't have anything to do with any of this.  Don't you think that Petraeus or Pannetta have more pertinence?   How about Hillary....I really don't understand what's going on, and now you're talking about bodies to be received.   Where were these people killed?   Was there a plane crash or something?"   the Ambassador was becoming more an more perplexed.
      "Look, just do what you're told, or we'll find us a goat to scape right here, PDQ.   And if you go do just a little, tiny fibby-poo....you know...for National Security...it'll keep us in the hunt for Election Day and I'll make you Secretary of State!"
      "Well, if you say so...but five shows in one morning?   That's some kind of a record, no?"
      Then Barry became reflective and finally said, "You know, back in the 1930s a really sharp politician said  that a lie repeated ofter enough becomes the truth...that's what we're banking on.   The American people will believe almost anything I say at this point."
       "Well, if you say so Mr. President, but it sure seems like it would be more appropriate if..''
       " Go on, girl, git!   I've got a plane to catch to Las Vegas"

Special Notice for the "Hispanic Outreach" Dumboes

This following is a statement about and a summary of an event that took place, yesterday, on a cool, dank morning on the border, within sight of the Rio Grande, well-attended, and very noble in all respects.
    Since the event was covered widely in the local press, televised and print, we will point out that it honoured a man who served in the military forces of the Confederate States of America, dating from 1862 until the end of the War Between the States.   He served in a group of mounted infantry, as a Partisan Ranger in the Regiment of a Captain Thompson.   That Captain was involved in the co-ordination with Col. Santos Benavides (later Brig. Gen.) in reconassaince and in the operation of the "Cotton Trail" that permitted the Confederacy access to foreign markets for their precious bales of cotton, through Mexico and on to Bagdad, a Gulf port community related to Matamoros, Tamaulipas, across the Rio Grande from Brownsville.   Santos Benavides was the only Spanish/Mexican general officer (rank of general) in the War Between the States, and of course, he was a Confederate soldier, along with his two brothers.   Over 90% of the Latinos who served in the War Between the States served on the Confederate side.
     Below, the OROG will find posted another set of commentaries, the form of a vignette of Rockwellian Americana....or better....Texana.   It serves to contradict any notion that "Hispanic Outreach" involves anything more than explaining Conservative principles and the illumination of the reasonable National path our approach presumes to provide to all people who belong to these precincts.   To do or promise more violates the concept of Common Law and the Constitution, and to do less does the same.
 
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The response to a supportive respondent follows.  To wit"
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GeneralLee (aka el gringo viejo)

    Your kind words are an encouragement not only to your servant, but to many, many Latinos whose feelings and beliefs I represented in my previous comminication.
Oddly enough, my statement of gratitude to-day was delayed by my attendance of a rededication of the grave of a Confederate Veteran, who served honourably during the War Between the States.  He died back in 1897.   A new, military-grade tombstone and a nice service was conducted on the grounds a small. historical, frame church within view of the Rio Grande, a few miles southeast of McAllen, Texas. There were about 200 adults, and perhaps 50 children aged 12 and under there, by a small, historic frame Methodist Church.
       To the west side of the Church were the interments of family members dating back into the earliest times of Hidalgo County. The honoured deceased came from Alabama, and had a second marriage into one of the Spanish/Mexican families of the area whose presence dated into the Spanish colonial period. Many of his 10 children  intermarried with the orginal Spanish/Mexican populace. His subsequent generation and their subsequent progeny are also quite numerous. Many turned out to honour their ancestor, bringing children with them.
     Many of those in attendance are known Republicans, some were known conservative Democrat office-holders, present and past,  (Our area is one of the very few in Texas still under the control of the Democrats.) The main ramrod for the rededication and recognition ceremony performed by the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy and numerous local officials, is the GGGrandson of the fete'd person, who also has served several terms as the Hidalgo Country Republican Party Chairman.  He is, by my calculation, approximately 12/16ths Latino, although he bears the surname of his Confederate ancestor, which is Rutledge.   He is, by any measure, a pure-bred American.
    We said the pledge of allegiance to the Stars and Stripes, reverenced the Stars and Bars with the firing of a small, commemorative mortar (the honoured party had been in a military unit) had our volleys and invocation, nice words and recognitions, benediction and went home happy. And, 90% of the people who were there, are 87.5% Latin (+/-), and about 55% of the people who were there are card-carrying Elephants and have been for years.
 
This all occurred to-day, on the border, next to the Rio Grande (in view) 9 miles southeast of McAllen, Texas.
As always, we appreciate everyones time and interest.
El Gringo Viejo
 

Friday 16 November 2012

POEM to the EAGLE and the WARRIORS RESTING




                                  Monday, May 28, 2012 7:01:49 AMby Kartographer
 
 
 
 
The Eagle’s Watch,by Kartographer

And this is the poem I wrote to go with that picture. I hope you enjoy it.


In a quiet river valley,
Lies a green and peaceful place,
Were warriors come to rest,
Having honorably met their fate.



 No more do they stand the watch
 O'er other Father's son,
They’ve passed their duties on;
 Their worthy service, done.



  Yet flying high above them,
On silent wings spread wide,
Soars freedom's embodiment
And a country's sign of pride.



The mighty Eagle watches o'er all
And guards their well-earned rests.
For he like they, knows the feel
Of Freedom in his chest.


And though he does his best to guard
The fallen warriors' sleep.
Still at times he grows so weary
And must rest his wings a-beat.


So slowly he glides his way
To where the fallen rest,
And there he bides his time a bit
Among the honored Vets.



And though he knows no words
Of the valiant warriors' speech,
Still they communicate
In a way that words can't reach.


Having communed with those who lie
Among the rows of stone,
The Eagle takes to flight again
And resumes his post alone.



In endless soaring circles,
He surely makes his rounds,
Guarding fallen heroes
 Abiding in this hollowed ground.

Probabilities

Just a note concerning the probabilities.
 
Not the probabilities of Jake telling Ole' Bubba,"Y'all know it's prob'ly gonna rain".
 
But, the probability of several thousand people doing the same relatively simple process 100% correctly.   Truth be known, if one thousand people vote on paper ballots, it is almost impossible for all 1,000 to vote for the same person, even if that had been the intent of the 1,000 people involved.    The normal number of votes in error would be between 18 and 30.
That assumes that all are literate at an 6th grade level and are reasonably only slightly stoned, drunk, insane, or otherwise hopelessly physically impaired, or suffering from only moderately severe TDS (total dufus syndrome)

 
The rate is the same for almost all machine voting, except of course for certain counties in Florida.   There the rate can go much higher, especially if the voter forgot to leave his auto's turn indicator firmly in the left turn mode while he was in the voting precinct.
 
Otherwise, it is patently statistically impossible for that many people to have voted in the same manner without fail unless they all had just a little teeninsy, teeny, tiny, teeny, teeny, teeny little bit of help, from the nice ward boss and the precinct voting judge.

The facts about the odds of repeated outcome participati0n deviation is not a joke, it is a fact. Thank you for time as we stew here in our cauldron.
El Gringo Viejo

Simple Solution - Quick and Easy

(1)  Freeze all spending at present levels, while simultaneously rescinding the Obama Socialised Medicine Initiative.
 
(2) Reduce the tax rate for millionaires and billionaires to 20 percent, c0mbining
capital gains and standard income tax rate.   Reduce the tax rate for people
 making $20,000 or more to 10 percent.
       Require anyone receiving AFDC, Food Stamps, Section 8 rental assistance, WIC, or
 free Obamafone or free Obamascooter to pay the 10 percent tax on their gimmes just as if they were real human beings.
 
(3)  After having abolished most of the repressive taxation upon anybody who
 matters, then we could have a 2% sales tax on most purchases beyond groceries, medicine, medical procedures, but not on birth control pills for Miss Flukie.   That rate would not be changed and would also usher in the new period of having currency backed in silver and bonds backed in gold.   By the end of the 7th year, the income tax would simply disappear.
 
(4)  Advise everyone that public welfare will be turned over entirely to the States and
that parasites will have to do their Queen for a Day Routine at their various State Capitals.   We recommend that they move to New York and/or California.   There is a reasonable chance that Due to the Civil Rights for Parasites Act, they will be able to draw public assistance from those two states simultaneously.
 
(5)  For corporations and financial institutions who deal with the central government, all payments will end, and all deposits for the central government's fiscal activity will be deposited in the New Dime Box State Bank, in New Dime Box, Texas.   That also includes food stores and convenience stores that sell food to people who are receiving food stamps.  But, of course, they will be hard pressed to do that because they will have to whine and beg to the States, just like the Queen for a Day Parasite Union.   Or, they might try just selling things for something called, "money".
 
 
 PLEASE NOTE:     Any government agency, along with all its employees,  trying to spend more than the level approved for the previous fiscal year would be placed in the Giant Solar Powered Microwave that was confiscated by the FBI from Solyndra's black-ops department....and Zapped.
 

As always, we are very appreciative of your time and attention.
El Gringo Viejo

A Brietbart Contributor Tees Off....

This is the response of a fellow traveller on the trail of truth to a posting by El Gringo Viejo.  In other places, due to El Gringo Viejo's low self-esteem, he uses a psuedonym as well, and styles himself as GeneralLee.

    El Gringo Viejo wrote under that nomme de plume the following, drawing the response we have included immediately below GeneralLee's submission.

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It disgusts me to no end that this is the riff raff that affects our lives.
4th graders know more about our country, and can probably to a better job than she.

 

 
GeneralLee,
     It is regretted to have to inform anyone who will listen. Unless your child is home-schooled, or in a private, Christian school, he/she will know nothing about American Civics, History, or economics upon graduation.
     Ask 10 people aged 15 to 18 which came first....World War I, the War Between the States, the War of 1812, or the Spanish-American War and the Phillipine Action.
     You will break down, laughing and crying.


 
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Exactly!
We are born with the despotic progressive behaviour gene; i.e. no empathy for those upon whom we make demands combined with an ever growing list of expectations. The cognizant, skillful and civil society, of parents and teachers have a duty to educate and guide their young toward responsible, honourable, independent self-sufficiency.
       The source of our blossoming malignancy goes back generations. It manifests now in individuals in high places who, as leaders, judges, legislators and educators are but children who never grew up. They have many demands and expectations with no demonstrable feelings for those expected to meet their demands.     They emerged into public view as the 'flower children' of the 1960's. The work product of a cultural cancer that took root in US academia when refugees of Hitler's purges brought the Institute for Social Research to the United States.
      This infection has metastasised over 2+ generations and now manifests at all levels of education, legislation, courts and the White House. The Honourable citizen is dogged daily by 2+ millions of administrative officials who craft law without representation, administrate, enforce and punish . . . all within a tightly knit bureaucracy.   We are witnessing a real-life repeat of the "Stanford Prison Experiment" where it was shown how a child's intellect drives demeanuor and behaviour that abandons any sense of honor when (1) given power and (2) shields from consequences of their behaviour.
      They become incapable of independent self-sufficiency. Their sense of elite status is juvenile . . . like getting a row of gold stars after your name for various and sundry 'achievements' which in fact took no extra-ordinary effort.  Aged children become dissatisfied with the gathering gold stars. They seek nearly worthless diplomas, Oscars, Nobel Peace Prizes, high offices in government, specious awards for best-off-the-year, etc. etc. I wonder what Mr. Nobel would think about having bestowed planet wide accolades and so much of his money upon the likes of Carter, Arafat, Gore and yes, Dear Leader.
      Our salvation is at the voting booth but this presupposes educated and honorable voters. I will suggest that the future of the nation is in the hands of our teachers, parents and those of their students sill capable of an honorable thought . . . and a willingness to exercise those thoughts in defense of their persons and property.
      The Founding Fathers would surely weep over what masquerades as honorable allegiance and application of their wisdom. Wisdom they shared at great personal risk. Much of what I read in the chronicles of world events today gives rise to blurred vision in me too. I grieve for the likes of Pelosi, Reid, et. als. for their teachers most certainly failed them.
 
Given present trends in the national halls of power, I grieve for my grandchildren.
 
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Here below is the legal and cordial and procedural permissory activities that El Gringo Viejo went through to gain contact and approval to reprint this fine material.   As with the work of El Zorro, we are trying to form a Battalion of Messengers to signal to all that something much worse than the British are already here.
 
 
 
nuckollsr wrote, in response to GeneralLee:
Condescend? My friend I am honored that you find value in my effort to share what my teachers have shared with me. This and similar sentiments offered from my keyboard have been published in the public domain.

http://tinyurl.com/8mxtrv4

These are not MY ideas. I have no ownership . . . only a willingness to ponder, observe and connect the dots. To the extent that you wish to join in this sharing is gratifying and a validation of the efforts of my teachers.
GeneralLee wrote:
Would you condescend to allow this poor old, straight-Republican (44 years of voting), honourably discharged, rightwing curmudgeon, to re-publish your contribution on his blog? It is a rightwing type blog, kinder and gentler perhaps, but only because we do not advocate grabbing people around the neck and shaking them. It accompanies a web-page about our little place in the Mexican outback that is a center for bird and butterfly watchers....and beer and margarita drinkers...or not.

Then El Gringo Viejo sent his appreciation with the following:

GeneralLee writes:
      Your kind generousity is most assuredly appreciated. Your words are soon to be spread upon a small, but potent little Double AA - minor league blog and birdwatching page. We must join and make solid lines of interior supply and communication. The enemy is all about us, we are surrounded, but we are stronger because we think in terms of our grandchildren and our great-great grandparents.
      I had two great uncles who died in the War Between the States who were with the Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, 96th Regiment and Several who fought, but survived, save for one fighting for the concept of local control attached finally to Hood's Brigade in the service of the Confederate States of America.
In the War with the British in the 1770s - 1780s, we had people on both sides as well.
My disposition would have been with the Continentals in the first case and with the Confederacy in the second. You will understand me, agree or not, but this conversation would be met with blank stares in the Student Union Building in most Colleges and Universities in these days.
Once again thank you privat
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